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It was Monday on August 16, 1537 and it was the 228th day of the year in the Gregorian calendar.
 
It was Monday on August 16, 1537 and it was the 228th day of the year in the Gregorian calendar.
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== Basel and Straßburg and Meyer's Germanness ==
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Is there any indication the city of Basel was in the Kingdom of Germany at the time of Meyer's birth (or indeed ever was?) The Wikipedia article for Meyer says this too. If I'm not overlooking some crucial history Basel was part of the Old Swiss Confederacy in 1537, a separate unencircled polity technically within the Holy Roman Empire but with ''de facto'' independence, and had been for some time (the Prince-Bishopric that had governed Basel prior to 1528 also was separate from Germany within the HRE and enjoyed Imperial immediacy; before the Prince-Bishopric, Basel was a possession of East Francia).<br>
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Strasbourg/Straßburg was, too, outside the Kingdom of Germany: it was an independent republic with Imperial immediacy.<br>
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When Meyer writes of Germanness and German things, is he writing of being a citizen of Germany or of wider Alemmanic/Teutonic culture and virtues? One suspects the latter; when Meyer finally did move to Schwerin, he was quite old, and died soon after, as the article says. How then can Meyer be interpreted as a German? A few books informing my question are ''Zeitsprünge - Basler Geschichte'', ''Wörterbuch des Völkerrechts'' and Bonjour's ''A short History of Switzerland'', and period maps of the HRE and surrounding areas during the 16th c. Discussion and possible enlightenment to new information on this welcomed. [[User:Paul Grayson|Paul Grayson]] ([[User talk:Paul Grayson|talk]]) 08:00, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

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1570 Figures Tobias Stimmer Universitätsbibliothek Leipzig
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Translation Mike Rasmusson Schielhau.org
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Translation Kevin Maurer Meyer Frei Fechter Guild
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Translation Thomas Carrillo Meyer Frei Fechter Guild
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Translation Jon Pellett Megalophias his Page
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Lund Transcription Olivier Dupuis Index:Joachim Meyers Fäktbok (MS A.4º.2)
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1570 Transcription Michael Chidester Index:Gründtliche Beschreibung... der Kunst des Fechtens
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Comments

looks good man!

small note:

"The Thursday following the swear day, Joachim Meyer was gone to Schwerin in the coldest period of the year, invited by the duke to teach fencing. But Joachim Meyer died 14 days after his arrival in Schwerin." - V14 doc110 Strasbourg archives

The Schwörtag or swear day took place in Strasbourg the first Tuesday of each year; in 1571 that was the 2nd - so the Thursday following Schwörtag was the 4th.

so under your References section number Seven I suggest removing the "Assuming"

There are some other items I would also clarify or fix, but they are minor.

I will be re-writing my article on Meyer soon, incorporating some new research discoveries by Kevin Maurer and I (mostly Kevin!98%). Although said research will be presented in the MFFG Quarterly Journal first and foremost.

Primary sources

the source for "Marriage: Joachim Meyer from Basel, messerschmiede Appolonia Rulmennin, widow of Jacob Wickgaw, messerschmiede 4 July 1560" is ‘Original Aux AM Strasbourg’ (Straßburg, 1552–1568), Archives départementales du Conseil général du Bas-Rhin, Registres paroissiaux Paroisse protestante (Saint-Guillaume) <http://etat-civil.bas-rhin.fr/adeloch/adeloch_accessible/adeloch_consult.php?refacces=YToyOntzOjY6ImlkX2NvbSI7czozOiI0NzgiO3M6NjoiaWRfaWR4IjtzOjY6IjI5MjI1OSI7fQ==>

Day of Meyer's death

FYI , February 24, 1571 was a Wednesday and the 55th day of the year in the Gregorian calendar with 310 days remaining in the year.

Day of Meyer's Wedding

It was a Monday on July 4, 1560 and it was the 186th day of the year in the Gregorian calendar

Day of Meyer's Birth

It was Monday on August 16, 1537 and it was the 228th day of the year in the Gregorian calendar.

Basel and Straßburg and Meyer's Germanness

Is there any indication the city of Basel was in the Kingdom of Germany at the time of Meyer's birth (or indeed ever was?) The Wikipedia article for Meyer says this too. If I'm not overlooking some crucial history Basel was part of the Old Swiss Confederacy in 1537, a separate unencircled polity technically within the Holy Roman Empire but with de facto independence, and had been for some time (the Prince-Bishopric that had governed Basel prior to 1528 also was separate from Germany within the HRE and enjoyed Imperial immediacy; before the Prince-Bishopric, Basel was a possession of East Francia).
Strasbourg/Straßburg was, too, outside the Kingdom of Germany: it was an independent republic with Imperial immediacy.
When Meyer writes of Germanness and German things, is he writing of being a citizen of Germany or of wider Alemmanic/Teutonic culture and virtues? One suspects the latter; when Meyer finally did move to Schwerin, he was quite old, and died soon after, as the article says. How then can Meyer be interpreted as a German? A few books informing my question are Zeitsprünge - Basler GeschichteWörterbuch des Völkerrechts and Bonjour's A short History of Switzerland, and period maps of the HRE and surrounding areas during the 16th c. Discussion and possible enlightenment to new information on this welcomed. Paul Grayson (talk) 08:00, 25 February 2022 (UTC)