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We are called stances and guards by name,<br/>And we are each one similar and contrary to another;<br/>And following the way we stand and are positioned,<br/>We will demonstrate how to make one against another.&emsp;
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The Full Iron Gate, I am low to the ground<br/>So that I always restrain cuts and thrusts.
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I am the Stance of the Queen, noble and proud<br/>For making defense in every manner;<br/>And whoever wants to contend against me<br/>Should find a longer sword than mine.
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I am the royal Stance of the True Window<br/>And I am always ready/quick with the whole art.
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The Middle Iron Gate, I am strongest<br/>For giving death with thrusts and downward blows,<br/>And through the length of my sword, I feel that<br/>From the narrow play I always defend myself.
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✅{{par|r}} Each position and deceitful guard is called by a name
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Both similar to another, and indeed opposite<ref>The Latin has contraria here, which we usually translate as "the counter", but comparison to the Italian suggested reading it as "contrary or opposite". We've used "opposite" as the more current phrasing.</ref>
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Position [yourself]<ref>Since the word "posite" doesn't make sense as written, we speculate it's an error for "ponite."</ref> just as here, thus we grasp<ref>This word, "prendimus", is a verb normally used for disarm or grappling actions, and we usually translate it "catch", but we decided on "grasp" for the noun form prensura meaning a wrestling hold. In this case prendimus is clearly being used in its alternate sense "understand" and, since grasp can be used to mean either grapple or understand, it allows us to preserve the original pun.</ref> the actions
  
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✅{{par|b}} I am called the iron gate by all men, on a level with the ground.
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I always redress any such strikes of the cutting [edge] and of the point.
  
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✅{{par|r}} I am the bold, lofty position of the woman. high
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✅{{par|r}} Here I am certainly the regal position of the "true window"
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✅{{par|b}} I am the strong iron, and I am called the middle Door.
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And I bestow heavy strikes and I seek death with the point.
  
 
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Latest revision as of 19:44, 12 August 2025

Latin 12v

Page:MS Latin 11269 12v.jpg

Nomine quisque vocat[1] situs / et custodia fallax.
Altera consimilis aliae / contraria [2] necnon.
Sicut et hic posite / similes sic prendimus actus.

Ferrea porta vocor terrena aequaliter ab omni /
Quae semper reparo / cesurae et cuspidis ictus.

Audax / excelsus / muliebris sum situs. alta
Et quocunque modo defendo membra furentis.

Regalis verae: situs hic sum nempe fenestrae:
Et volucrem[3] fateor clara me semper in arte.

Ferrea sum fortis / medianaque Janua dicor.
Doque graves ictus. et cuspide querito mortem.

Italian

We are called stances and guards by name,
And we are each one similar and contrary to another;
And following the way we stand and are positioned,
We will demonstrate how to make one against another. 

[18a-t] Poste e guardie chiamare per nome si façemo
E una simille cum l'altra contrarie noii semo
E segondo che noii staxemo e semo poste
De far l'una contra l'altra façemo le mostre

The Full Iron Gate, I am low to the ground
So that I always restrain cuts and thrusts.

[18a-a] Tuta porta de fero son la piana terena
Che tagli e punte sempre si refrena

I am the Stance of the Queen, noble and proud
For making defense in every manner;
And whoever wants to contend against me
Should find a longer sword than mine.

[18a-b] Io son posta de dona soprana e altera
Per far deffesa in zaschaduna mainera
E chi contra de mi vole contrastare
Piu longa spada de mi convem[!] trovare

I am the royal Stance of the True Window
And I am always ready/quick with the whole art.

[18a-c] Io son posta realle de vera finestra
E de in tuta l'arte sempre io son presta

The Middle Iron Gate, I am strongest
For giving death with thrusts and downward blows,
And through the length of my sword, I feel that
From the narrow play I always defend myself.

[18a-d] Meçana porta de fero son la forte
Per dare cum punta e fendenti la morte
E per lungeça de spada che io me sento
Del streto zogho sempre me deffendo

English 12v


✅ Each position and deceitful guard is called by a name
Both similar to another, and indeed opposite[4]
Position [yourself][5] just as here, thus we grasp[6] the actions

✅ I am called the iron gate by all men, on a level with the ground.
I always redress any such strikes of the cutting [edge] and of the point.

✅ I am the bold, lofty position of the woman. high
and in whatever method I defend the limbs from rage[7]

✅ Here I am certainly the regal position of the "true window"
and I always acknowledge myself as swift in the famous art.

✅ I am the strong iron, and I am called the middle Door.
And I bestow heavy strikes and I seek death with the point.

MS Latin 11269 12v.jpg

  1. ↑ Added later: "scilicet nobis".
  2. ↑ Added later: "+".
  3. ↑ Added later: "i.e. velocem". We also considered a volverem reading.
  4. ↑ The Latin has contraria here, which we usually translate as "the counter", but comparison to the Italian suggested reading it as "contrary or opposite". We've used "opposite" as the more current phrasing.
  5. ↑ Since the word "posite" doesn't make sense as written, we speculate it's an error for "ponite."
  6. ↑ This word, "prendimus", is a verb normally used for disarm or grappling actions, and we usually translate it "catch", but we decided on "grasp" for the noun form prensura meaning a wrestling hold. In this case prendimus is clearly being used in its alternate sense "understand" and, since grasp can be used to mean either grapple or understand, it allows us to preserve the original pun.
  7. ↑ This reading is supported by genitive of emotion, in which the rage is assigned to the opponent. An alternate reading would be 'I defend the limbs of rage' in which the rage is assigned to the speaker.
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