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Michael Chidester at 14:07, 22 March 2022
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><blockquote>All masters included in the manuscript stand in the Liechtenauer tradition (cf. the list of names in Cgm 1507, sheet 2r and below, p. 45 ff.). With the exception of Peter von Danzig, the masters are referred to as deceased with the formula 'God be gracious. It should therefore be a compilation of Liechtenauer's fencing tradition by Peter von Danzig.</blockquote></ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">For quoting Liechtenauer's teachings, Peter von Danzig uses the (or a) text assigned to Siegmund Ringeck (HK 16), but also goes so far as to copy Ringeck's glosses and pass them off as his own. But also extensive parts of the teachings of Liegnitzer and Hundfeld, which are listed for the first time in this manuscript, seem to have been copied after Ringeck, so that they stand as a kind of missing link in the tradition between Peter and Ringeck. Both masters are already marked as deceased with the Christian blessing 'dem god be gracious', just as Ott is not given the insinuating 'jud' (like e.g. with the Jew Lew, with Kal and Talhoffer), but also with the blessing. </ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The handwriting clearly shows the great effectiveness and assertiveness of Liechtenauer's teachings, which prove to be relatively persistent in substance even when edited by other masters, but also the working methods of the fencing masters when creating their own handwriting: the written (or other) fixation existing teaching material is exploited regardless of the "copyrights or property rights" of the other masters to their property. </ins></div></td></tr>
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